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Have you heard of the concept of White Fragility? Let’s talk about it. - Shared screen with speaker view
Danielle K
22:34
Did anyone else have trouble logging into the meeting?
John McConnell
25:46
Audio is breaking up for me...
Lauren Di Giovanni
25:52
same for me
Rachel Trotogott
25:55
For me as well
Katie Gittleman
25:59
me too
Zach Osborne
27:05
~5
Danielle K
27:08
about 10
Katie Gittleman
27:09
Around 10
John McConnell
27:10
quite a few... and every day.
Olivia Fogel
27:13
About 6
Lauren Di Giovanni
27:13
a lot - friends, family members, social media, etc.
Rachel Trotogott
27:16
I talk about it so often, I honestly don't know. I'm discussing it every day.
Niemah Butler
27:31
dozens
Emily Ibanez
27:31
at least 10
Katie Gittleman
27:47
half
John McConnell
27:51
less than half
Niemah Butler
27:55
half
Emily Ibanez
27:57
3
Zach Osborne
28:00
half-ish
Lauren Di Giovanni
28:03
not as many, just a couple maybe 2 or 3
Olivia Fogel
28:03
Half
Rachel Trotogott
28:08
Cross-cultural conversations. Half and half at least
Danielle K
28:20
a mix but probably more with those of the same background
Danielle K
28:38
learning more about others
Emily Ibanez
29:01
Learned about the pain & frustration
Olivia Fogel
29:15
I am learning that each individual experience is so different from one another
John McConnell
29:17
I have learned about the fears African American parents have for their children (especially boys).
John McConnell
30:16
Maybe your sample size is too small! <3
Rachel Trotogott
31:43
when discussing with other white people, it can be...not really "combative" but challenging. Some people just refuse to discuss which is a huge bummer. But for the most part, people are willing to be open and honest which is encouraging. All that being said, I think it's very important for white people to speak with other white people about this issue and discuss how to educate ourselves, have "real" conversations about the issue.
Katie Gittleman
31:55
I have learned that it is okay to be uncomfortable because the more you talk about it the more you become more comfortable.
Rachel Trotogott
32:43
Agree with Katie 100%
Danielle K
33:34
Rachel- that is a good word, "combative". Some other white people become very defensive and argumentative
Emily Ibanez
37:05
Great way to explain it...
Lauren Di Giovanni
37:45
Representation and having a seat at the table is so important, and it's unfortunate that not everyone understands that
John McConnell
37:56
unconscious biases
Niemah Butler
38:09
i agree lauren
Claire-Michele Rice
38:42
I agree. Great example Alicia about the tea/coffee.
Zach Osborne
38:45
audio is broken up again
John McConnell
38:47
breaking up again... may be better if you stop video ( to reduce bandwidth)
Rachel Trotogott
38:47
Yes, John. And unconscious bias training can be so helpful - I encourage all to do it if you can find the opportunity. It can be quite an eye opener.
Lauren Di Giovanni
38:49
Robin you're breaking up again, not sure if jjust me
Rachel Trotogott
38:54
Audio is bad - sorry
Zach Osborne
38:58
Robin, you might want to call in using your phone?
Rachel Trotogott
39:18
Calling in via phone works for me when there are issues
Zach Osborne
39:19
you can stay on cam using your computer and just use your phone for audio
John McConnell
39:59
Two books my daughter recommended... Black Boy White School and The Hat U Give. I've ordered both.
Lauren Di Giovanni
40:45
I've heard great things about the Hate U Give. I definitely need to read the book and watch the movie
John McConnell
42:24
@Lauren - I saw the movie (also with my daughter). Very eye opening... and leads to further learning... and acceptance.
Claire-Michele Rice
45:18
we can hear you well now
Lauren Di Giovanni
48:07
Agree, a lot of people think if the intent isn't there then it's not racist, but there are things society teaches us that is okay but really aren't and a lot of that unconscious bias
Olivia Fogel
50:14
That is so powerful! You’re not responsible for your thoughts but your actions in putting those thoughts into practice.
Rachel Trotogott
51:22
Lauren - yes!
Rachel Trotogott
01:04:15
What Robin was talking about a little bit ago, it made me think of something a Black friend shared recently - she was in a store, and all Black hair care products were locked up (i.e. behind plexiglass with an actual lock). All of the other hair care products were not locked up. I was amazed, and told her honestly I have never seen that before BUT that I believed her, and that I'm sorry, and that if I ever see such nonsense I'm going to ask to speak to the manager like a positive type of "Karen." ;-) Even an anecdote like *that* - I mean, wow.
Lauren Di Giovanni
01:06:05
Disgusting and disheartening. The weaponizing of whiteness is crazy. For certain white people to use anger or frustration at black individuals and immediately decide to call the cops, because they know it's a weapon.
Rachel Trotogott
01:06:55
Agreed, Lauren.
Rachel Trotogott
01:07:40
That's normal?!? Omg! I cannot - I promise I will speak up if I see that ridiculousness.
Wendy van Woerden
01:07:54
I cannot believe that!!
Emily Ibanez
01:09:07
Love your energy!
Rachel Trotogott
01:09:46
I think your strength and attitude is amazing, Alicia.
Danielle K
01:10:01
Agreed :)
Claire-Michele Rice
01:10:41
I think of the times when CVS referred to the section on black hair products as the "ethnic" section. I complained them because it made me realize that for them whiteness was ubiquitous, but blackness was the exception and should be segregated out in the way they place their products.
Rachel Trotogott
01:14:04
Dr. Rice, I'm certainly old enough to remember seeing that in the past. I confess I grew up seeing it as normal. :/ It's just how it always was, and I got used to it. I don't see it at my local CVS now. And based on photos my Black friend sent me about the locked up hair products incident, I apparently purchase products on a regular basis that are meant for the Black community. ;-)
John McConnell
01:15:21
You must use Headspace for your mindfulness. I love Headspace.
Emily Ibanez
01:16:10
Thank you! Truly enjoyed this....
Lauren Di Giovanni
01:16:11
Robin & Alicia thank you so much for facilitating this conversation today!
Claire-Michele Rice
01:16:16
Indeed Rachel. Some have removed the label. But I don't know if this is done nationwide. I like to think that my complaint to headquarters had something to do with some CVS's removing that "Ethnic" label. :D)
John McConnell
01:16:20
Thank you so much Alicia and Robin! <3
Rachel Trotogott
01:16:22
This "noticing" - YES! Speaks to how powerful this moment is right now. I'm noticing so much more, and being very honest with myself and others.
Lauren Di Giovanni
01:16:24
And thank you everyone else for contributing. So glad I got to be here!
Wendy van Woerden
01:16:29
Thank you ladies!
Rachel Trotogott
01:16:31
Thank you for this conversation!!
Katie Gittleman
01:16:37
This was awesome! I have to jump off for another call.
Niemah Butler
01:16:46
Thanks Alicia and Robin. Great and engaging
Lauren Di Giovanni
01:17:00
I have another call as well. Have a great day everyone!
Claire-Michele Rice
01:17:11
Indeed, this was a wonderful session Robin and Alicaia
Olivia Fogel
01:17:11
Thank you Alicia and Robin!